Posted by: Apostolic Oneness Pentecostals | August 6, 2011

Godhead: Questions Trinitarians Will Ask You The Oneness Apostolic Believer That You Should Be Able To Answer

Trinitarians (as well as all other world religious people) will ask you some questions concerning the Apostolic Pentecostal Oneness belief that Jesus is God and God is Jesus. They will attempt to use certain scriptures to justify their thinking why  titles the Father, Son, Holy Ghost are 3 persons (thus the non biblical word Trinity is conceived from). As a believer of the Apostolic Faith and member of Gods true Body of Christ, you should instantly be able to point these individuals to scripture (not your doctrine manual or organizational creed etc. etc). That said, below are some common questions that people will ask you and that you and I should be able to answer them straight from the Word. (Credit is given to my Pastor for the excellent Sunday Morning sermon he preached on the Godhead and David K Bernard in writing the book The Oneness of God).

Side Note:  If you are a Trinitarian reader of this blog, I believe it was God ordained that you came here to read about God’s Truth found only in the Word of God. I understand it is very hard to let go of a tradition that you’ve been taught for so long, and at times you might take offense when someone shows you something different from what you were taught. By no means is this article to condemn you (as long as there is life there is hope). That said, ask God to show you if these scriptures are indeed true and to be followed. I promise you, God will reveal an answer that will cause you to go to the next level in God.

Question: If Jesus is God, than who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Answer: Jesus had a perfect “dual nature”. He was fully God (the Father) when He healed the sick, raised the dead, delivered demonized people, calmed the sea and wind, multiplied the bread and fish, put a coin in a fish’s mouth, turned water into
wine, etc. He was fully Man (the Son) when he wept, thirsted, hungered, slept,
etc. In the Garden, His flesh (the Son) cried out to the Spirit (the Father) to
be delivered from what was coming. Because of Him being God, Jesus KNEW when He would die, how He would die, where He would die, etc. He KNEW!!! While being
God, He could handle that (and everything else…), but as Man, His flesh
rebelled against it. The prayer in the Garden was to put His flesh under
subjection to the Spirit.

Do the prayers of Christ indicate a distinction of persons between Jesus and the Father? No. On the contrary, His praying indicates a distinction between the Son of God and God. Jesus prayed in His humanity, not in His deity. If the prayers of Jesus demonstrate that the divine nature of Jesus is different than the Father, then Jesus is inferior to the Father in deity. In other words, if Jesus prayed as God then His position in the Godhead would be somehow inferior to the other “persons.” This one example effectively destroys the concept of a trinity of co-equal persons.

How can God pray and still be God? By definition, God in His omnipotence has no need to pray, and in His oneness has no other to whom He can pray. If the prayers of Jesus prove there are two persons in the Godhead, then one of those persons is subordinate to the other and therefore not fully or truly God.

What, then, is the explanation of the prayers of Christ? It can only be that the human nature of Jesus prayed to the eternal Spirit of God. The divine nature did not need help; only the human nature did. As Jesus said at the Garden of Gethsemane, “The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak” (Matthew 26:41). Hebrews 5:7 makes it clear that Jesus needed to pray only during “the days of his flesh.” During the prayer at Gethsemane, the human will submitted itself to the divine will. Through prayer His human nature learned to submit and be obedient to the Spirit of God (Philippians 2:8; Hebrews 5:7-8). This was not a struggle between two divine wills, but a struggle between the human and divine wills in Jesus. As a man Jesus submitted Himself to and received strength from the Spirit of God. (David K Bernard The Oneness Of God)

Question: If Jesus is God, who was He talking to on the cross when He was about to die?

Answer: “There were not two sons – a divine son and a human son – but there were two natures – deity and humanity – fused in one person. The divine Spirit could not be separated from the human nature and life continue. But in His agonizing process of dying, Jesus suffered the pains of our sins. Dying became death when He yielded His Spirit.

In other words, what Jesus meant when He cried, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” was that he had taken the place of sinful man on the cross and was suffering the full punishment for sin. There was no abatement of suffering because of His deity. Since all have sinned (Romans 3:23) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), all mankind (except for the sinless Christ) deserved to die. Christ took our place and suffered the death that we deserved (Romans 5:6-9). Jesus was more than a courageous martyr like Stephen and more than an Old Testament sacrifice, because He died in our place and experienced for a time the death we deserved. On the cross, He tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9). This death was more than physical death; it also involved spiritual death, which is separation from God (II Thessalonians 1:9; Revelation 20:14).” (David K Bernard The Oneness Of God)

Question: If Jesus is God, then who is the voice we here from Heaven?

Answer: Three times in the life of Jesus a voice came from heaven: at His baptism, at His transfiguration (Matthew 17:1-9), and after His triumphal entry into Jerusalem (John 12:20-33). We have just explained that a voice does not indicate a separate person in the Godhead but only another manifestation of the omnipresent Spirit of God.

In each of the three cases, the voice was not for the benefit of Jesus but for the benefit of others, and it came for a specific purpose. As we have discussed, the voice at Christ’s baptism was part of the inauguration of His earthly ministry. It was for the people’s sake, just as the dove was for John’s sake. The voice introduced Jesus as the Son of God: “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17). The voice at the transfiguration unquestionably was for the benefit of the onlooking disciples, for the message was, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased, hear ye him” (Matthew 17:5). The third manifestation of the voice occurred when a group of Greeks (apparently Gentile proselytes) came to see Jesus. Jesus explained that the voice was not for Him but for the people (John 12:30). (David K Bernard The Oneness Of God)


Responses

  1. Please explain when God says This is my only begotton son in whom I am well please and in other scripture when it says Jesus was created. Trinitarian believers think since Jesus was created that he is seperate then.


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